FEATURED KNOWLEDGED ARTIST - Artists2artists Social Network2024-03-28T13:14:39Zhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/forum/topics/featured-knowledged-artist-1?groupUrl=takeittothenextlevel&commentId=3077055%3AComment%3A13312&groupId=3077055%3AGroup%3A1778&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for the info I belong…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-07:3077055:Comment:138982009-06-07T20:17:01.709ZSlone Frieshttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/SloneFries
Thanks for the info I belong to a group where they have open sessions for these type of "classes".<br />
Sorry if the posting seems wierd, everything seems to lag a little on this site. I will get an email on live about something someone sent but it's not in my inbox yet???? I don't have a better idea on how to handle something ongoing like this for a week. If you have some ideas of what we could do better please let me know! Also, email me some info for how it was like being the featured artist…
Thanks for the info I belong to a group where they have open sessions for these type of "classes".<br />
Sorry if the posting seems wierd, everything seems to lag a little on this site. I will get an email on live about something someone sent but it's not in my inbox yet???? I don't have a better idea on how to handle something ongoing like this for a week. If you have some ideas of what we could do better please let me know! Also, email me some info for how it was like being the featured artist (even though I know you weren't keen on it and did it so I would start already!) Just some stuff I can put into the newsletter! Hi Sloane:
First, postings s…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-07:3077055:Comment:137612009-06-07T13:50:16.990ZTom Davidhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/TomDavid
Hi Sloane:<br />
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First, postings seem a little weird. Not what people say, but how its posted. Posting don't occur immediately but apparently are delayed for a while. I get an email saying someone has left a comment but when I go to our site, nothing is there. Also, posting don't occur in some order, but may show up somewhere in the middle of discussion elements. . . . which I don't always see.<br />
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Now, your questions. Assuming you are a painter not interested in earning degree. And that you are…
Hi Sloane:<br />
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First, postings seem a little weird. Not what people say, but how its posted. Posting don't occur immediately but apparently are delayed for a while. I get an email saying someone has left a comment but when I go to our site, nothing is there. Also, posting don't occur in some order, but may show up somewhere in the middle of discussion elements. . . . which I don't always see.<br />
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Now, your questions. Assuming you are a painter not interested in earning degree. And that you are someone interested in acquiring or improving skills and at the same time learning some basics , then you should take a couple of drawing classes, a couple of figure drawing classes, a basic 2-d design class, a digital graphic design course, an art history class, a watercolor class, and several painting classes. Sometimes, classes are offered as adult evening classes and can be very economical. Try to have as many different instructors as possible. When I know my instructors specialty, I try to learn as much as possible about that specialty. I tried using acrylic titaniu…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-05:3077055:Comment:136002009-06-05T03:03:40.274ZTom Davidhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/TomDavid
I tried using acrylic titanium white but the ink still bled through. At least I think I did.
I tried using acrylic titanium white but the ink still bled through. At least I think I did. I was just going to post you…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-04:3077055:Comment:135792009-06-04T22:49:38.824ZSlone Frieshttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/SloneFries
I was just going to post you after seeing your reply to Ang about being self taught. I went to school for business (blah) and now I am wondering if I need to go back to school. What type of classes do you think are a must for an oil painter?
I was just going to post you after seeing your reply to Ang about being self taught. I went to school for business (blah) and now I am wondering if I need to go back to school. What type of classes do you think are a must for an oil painter? FYI
Here is the info I receiv…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-04:3077055:Comment:135652009-06-04T19:09:39.608ZBarbara Kirbyhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3rpf4styaxum1
FYI<br />
Here is the info I received on covering India ink with acrylic so it doesn't show through:<br />
They recommend getting a quality white acrylic paint that is really opaque. Such as Golden Heavy Body Acrylic in Titanium White. You will want Titanium White no matter which brand you choose, this white is the most opaque. Zinc or mixing white tend to be slightly transparent. If you are wanting to put color in you works. You may want to put down a layer of white first and then the color. This is…
FYI<br />
Here is the info I received on covering India ink with acrylic so it doesn't show through:<br />
They recommend getting a quality white acrylic paint that is really opaque. Such as Golden Heavy Body Acrylic in Titanium White. You will want Titanium White no matter which brand you choose, this white is the most opaque. Zinc or mixing white tend to be slightly transparent. If you are wanting to put color in you works. You may want to put down a layer of white first and then the color. This is especially important when it comes to certain yellows, blues, and even reds. Hi Tom,
Thanks for the info.…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-03:3077055:Comment:133892009-06-03T18:52:59.013ZBarbara Kirbyhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3rpf4styaxum1
Hi Tom,<br />
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Thanks for the info. I've written to ask for help on the ink bleeding problem per your suggestion. I've never heard of silverpoint - adding zinc oxide to gesso. I'll share what I find out.<br />
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You mentioned that you were surprised at how many of us haven't had formal training. I suppose there are various reasons but mine is that I didn't want it. Now this is just my take on it, but I was concerned that my style, direction, or whatever you call it, would have been pulled off direction…
Hi Tom,<br />
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Thanks for the info. I've written to ask for help on the ink bleeding problem per your suggestion. I've never heard of silverpoint - adding zinc oxide to gesso. I'll share what I find out.<br />
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You mentioned that you were surprised at how many of us haven't had formal training. I suppose there are various reasons but mine is that I didn't want it. Now this is just my take on it, but I was concerned that my style, direction, or whatever you call it, would have been pulled off direction before I figured it out. It's the same reason I avoided art publications, galleries, and museums in hopes I would not be influenced, which I easily am and knew this about myself. I think kids have it right. They just do whatever they are inclined to do and are not bothered with whether it is correct or not. I'm not saying that training isn't very useful as I've proved by querying you for help. It's now that I would like to get the knowledge/tools to better express or discover new ways to present my style. You've been very helpful and thanks for taking the time to answer my question.<br />
Barb Hi Barb:
I'm surprised that…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-03:3077055:Comment:133792009-06-03T16:33:56.398ZTom Davidhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/TomDavid
Hi Barb:<br />
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I'm surprised that so many in our group have not had any formal training in art. At the same time, I'm reminded of the comments of some of the great artist of the past who have lamented that they needed to "unlearn" everything they had previously learned. I interpret the meaning of this to be that when artist's techniques or whatever become a formula (e.g., the French Academy) creativity and originality suffer.<br />
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The fact that pencil lines or India ink underdrawings bleed through…
Hi Barb:<br />
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I'm surprised that so many in our group have not had any formal training in art. At the same time, I'm reminded of the comments of some of the great artist of the past who have lamented that they needed to "unlearn" everything they had previously learned. I interpret the meaning of this to be that when artist's techniques or whatever become a formula (e.g., the French Academy) creativity and originality suffer.<br />
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The fact that pencil lines or India ink underdrawings bleed through acrylic paint can be used or incorporated into the painting. So, in this regard its something we can use to advantage. If I don't want this effect, I use oil paint to cover it up. I would recommend contacting technical support at the Gamblin or Golden web site for advise about this problem. Or contact either by phone. I have found both companies to be very accommodating and helpful to artists. I contacted Golden a couple of years ago about their take on adding zinc oxide to gesso in order to create a silverpoint ground. They didn't have such a product but thought my solution would probably work satisfactorily. Recently, Golden has marketed a silverpoint ground that is much better than my formula. The point is, they want to hear from us.<br />
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I have found that Golden's "Open Acrylics" don't skin over nearly as quickly as traditional acrylics. A drop of retarder to Open Acrylics further delays the skinning effect. Liquitex makes a palette wetting spray to combat this problem but the spray nozzle easily and quickly becomes clogged. And I'm not sure that a water mister doesn't do about as good. A thin first layer is ok, but…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-03:3077055:Comment:133722009-06-03T15:57:42.480ZTom Davidhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/TomDavid
A thin first layer is ok, but the key is to add a tiny bit (half a drop) of oil to your next next application of paint, and a bit more to the 3rd layer of paint, etc. I usually use Liquin or Galkyd because the are pretty much dry to the touch in 24-48 hours. I try to use as little solvent in my oil paint as possible because it is so toxic.<br />
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Also, I highly recommend that you take some basic art classes at a university. Books are great, but it helps to be around other artists in a formal setting.…
A thin first layer is ok, but the key is to add a tiny bit (half a drop) of oil to your next next application of paint, and a bit more to the 3rd layer of paint, etc. I usually use Liquin or Galkyd because the are pretty much dry to the touch in 24-48 hours. I try to use as little solvent in my oil paint as possible because it is so toxic.<br />
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Also, I highly recommend that you take some basic art classes at a university. Books are great, but it helps to be around other artists in a formal setting. I have 4 degrees and hundreds of credit hours in art classes, yet I still take art classes just to be around people working in the arts. The classes duplicate much of what we are trying to do in this site, but faster, easier, and more comprehensive. I should take a couple of art history classes as well. I'm not that familiar with the work of contemporary artists. Much of the great things being accomplished today are by artists who weren't even born when I last took an art history class. I know money can be a barrier to taking art classes, but check with the university financial aids office for available scholarships. Also, chat with some of the art instructors who might welcome a local artist as a studio assistant. . . which would be a free ticket into an art class. I have always figured I neede…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-03:3077055:Comment:133702009-06-03T15:21:37.396ZSlone Frieshttps://artdeadline.ning.com/profile/SloneFries
I have always figured I needed to let the first layer dry first and it is usually thin and then i build up from there. After reading your reply though I realized there might not be some concepts that I am aware of so I just stock piled myself with a lot of "BASIC" books since I never studied art in school! Thanks so much!
I have always figured I needed to let the first layer dry first and it is usually thin and then i build up from there. After reading your reply though I realized there might not be some concepts that I am aware of so I just stock piled myself with a lot of "BASIC" books since I never studied art in school! Thanks so much! I finally found where I'm to…tag:artdeadline.ning.com,2009-06-03:3077055:Comment:133662009-06-03T12:46:36.800ZBarbara Kirbyhttps://artdeadline.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3rpf4styaxum1
I finally found where I'm to chime in.<br />
I've not had any formal training, so much of what you've told us is new to me. Thanks for the heads up on covering ink with acrylic or should I say the inability to. I suppose it would make sense as I've come up against something similar when painting walls that had water stains. My work is pen & ink Pointillism and just recently tried to incorporate acrylics to it. I did see the bleed through though it worked in my case, however, how would I be able…
I finally found where I'm to chime in.<br />
I've not had any formal training, so much of what you've told us is new to me. Thanks for the heads up on covering ink with acrylic or should I say the inability to. I suppose it would make sense as I've come up against something similar when painting walls that had water stains. My work is pen & ink Pointillism and just recently tried to incorporate acrylics to it. I did see the bleed through though it worked in my case, however, how would I be able to keep it from bleeding through without using oils or 1-2-3 Bullseye? Is there an 'artistically correct', quick drying product available?<br />
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I also appreciated the tips on keeping the paint from drying out when storing it, though I find the dabs of paint get a skin on them quickly while I'm working with them... guess I have to paint faster!<br />
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Barb