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Anyone have some suggestions on other ways to represent distance for this type of painting?

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Hi Eric, You've already made a great start in creating the illusion of distance: maximum detail and contrast in the foreground, diminishing in the mid- and backgrounds. I think you need to keep your foreground and 'near-midground' warm, but start cooling things down in the middle line of hills, and really cool and pale down your distant hills. Nice work.

My apologies, I meant 'She's right'.

Because I was focusing on your question, I neglected to mention how wonderful your crows and wood posts are. Kudos.

Thanks for the help Laurel.

Perhaps something in the background that you know the scale of.  Right now your perspective is mostly atmospheric.

Good idea Ray, I'll definitely keep that in mind in the future.

Nice crows! Lower the mid background chroma and raise the overall mid background value slightly.

hello Eric....these crows are so realistic and they measure up with the rendering of the fence pole. The background seems to become sketchy though...perhaps it needs more definition with line and color instead of the white haze  which does no justice to the masterly rendition of the crows. It gives the impression that you have painted on top of a photograph...man, those crows are so good...in essence too.

"The Notebooks of Leonardo Da Vinci", Volume 1 covers this issue plus many others for painting.  

yes , by using a bigger brush stroke or size of brush as objects apear closer to the view.  Kind of a 3D effect. It may not apply to this type of painting. I like the painting as it sits now.

In the case of a picture like this [with objects in the near foreground, and the rest at some distance] it would probably help to "detach' the foreground from the background as much as possible. The darker, blue shadows next to the left hand crow's beak and body are "pulling" it to the background, and it would be a help to remove them. Also, the dark shadows on the right side of the picture are a hindrance - dragging your eye there and reinforcing the horizontal nature of the background, and not the vertical nature of the birds and pole shadows - you can check this by covering it up with your finger. Lightening the background a little where it contacts the foreground objects is also an effective way to get some distance into the picture. As to the question of fading detail with distance - the eye, unlike the camera, has no depth of field problems, so I would think that the viewing would be quite detailed for a considerable distance in this kind of landscape and would add more detail - especially in the nearer background at the bottom of the picture. This is all intended to be constructive criticism, and I hope it has been some help. It takes courage to put your out for critique.

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